Curse

strcpy · Jun 03, 2007, 02:12 AM // 02:12

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Originally Posted by 4ssassin

Everyone wants there to be tons and tons of gold drops while having them maintain their value. Look people, either golds are rare and valuable, or common and cheap. Can't have it both ways.

Many, if not most, who purchased this game did so because they got a lot for a little bit of money (basically something for nothing - it is probably 90% of why I purchased it). Because of that initial mentality there is an extra high proportion of people who expect things for free - after all that is one of the biggest selling points. Pretty much any game I have every played that is either really cheap for what you get or free is filled with forum posts like that.

The vast majority of players perfectly understand what you are saying and I think even the ones complaining do. You will note that it also goes along with the idea that if they do not have it sucks and is irrelevant, once they get it it is the most important thing and it should be made WAY harder (withness people who AFK'd max lightbringer rant about HM making it "too easy to get").

If anyone thought that this weekend would make them rich because they would have gotten five req9 elemental swords, didn't get it, and are rage quitting - good luck finding the game you are looking for as there is not a single online (and outside of cheats offline) game that is as easy as this one to get max stats, levels, and items. Heck, even the prestige items take WAY less work than all but a very few games - witness how many are running around the world in Obsidian.

Spazzer · Jun 03, 2007, 03:16 AM // 03:16

Actually, I would rather have a lot of not-valuable golds because that means I can outfit my characters properly.

That's all it boils down to really.

Pandora's box · Jun 03, 2007, 12:08 PM // 12:08

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Originally Posted by strcpy

....good luck finding the game you are looking for as there is not a single online (and outside of cheats offline) game that is as easy as this one to get max stats, levels, and items. ....

I consider that the biggest drawback of this game! Players like to continue growing better, stronger, towards that ultimate feeling of POWER, dominating the environment...

For me the introduction of heroes was a step into the right direction. Yet, being maxed out in skills does not leave much to play for. That is probably why weekends like this are still very popular.

As for online games: Anarchy Online, the basic game, is completely for free and offers much more environment and game play than GW. But than of course you don't need much 'skills' to play it.

Cacheelma · Jun 03, 2007, 12:23 PM // 12:23

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Originally Posted by Pandora's box

I consider that the biggest drawback of this game! Players like to continue growing better, stronger, towards that ultimate feeling of POWER, dominating the environment...

For me the introduction of heroes was a step into the right direction. Yet, being maxed out in skills does not leave much to play for. That is probably why weekends like this are still very popular.

As for online games: Anarchy Online, the basic game, is completely for free and offers much more environment and game play than GW. But than of course you don't need much 'skills' to play it.

If you're playing GW expecting all those, you're playing the wrong game.

Have fun grinding in AO to level 220. Oh wait, with your so-called "fr00b" account you can't grind that far. XD

Patrick Smit · Jun 03, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

I dont want purple stuff to drop on the floor, make stuff drop form locked chest in HM always gold, yeah there is trash golden stuff too, but purple will never be something, no matter what the stats are, you just cant sell it.

ravenwhitehawk · Jun 03, 2007, 02:17 PM // 14:17

I have only had one key Drop since Friday Noon, and the Event is almost over, all the rest of the drops are not good either, I have been killing large mobs, still no keys or lockpicks, I think I got one purple the whole weekend, so far, the golds I have got are only from Treasure chests, Buried Treasure and Do not Touch Treasure.

There is either a bug or I am the most Unlucky player in all of GW, shouldn't I be getting Unlucky points then?

HawkofStorms · Jun 03, 2007, 04:30 PM // 16:30

@ Raven. Key and lockpick drops are already very low.

Also, its only double gold from CHESTS.

cebalrai · Jun 03, 2007, 04:53 PM // 16:53

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Originally Posted by redd66

Sounds like a great way to lose money this weekend... spend 1.3k-1.5k on a lockpick (80-90% chance it will break) and get a worthless gold item that you sell to merchant for 200-300g or sell unidentified for 700-800g (if you are lucky). Net loss per chest is 500g-1.2k depending on what you do with your golds. Hard mode made golds drop like rain and hardly any skins are worth anything anymore. Ovenight the GW economy experienced hypergold inflation with the hard mode and deflation (prices dropping) with gold coin drop nerfs. We see this reflected everywhere from golds going to the merchant now (I have sold about 150 golds to the merchant in the last 10 days easy and have 5 storage characters completely full with golds I was too lazy to deal with and never bothered to id and now am too overwhelmed to even start on them cuz I have so many...

), ectos in the toilet, rare skins worthless, and once rare mods dropping every day in price.

I think you would be a fool to spend 100k on lockpicks or keys this weekend. You will not make your money back like we used to just a couple of months ago. The economy has changed and those who do not realize it will be poorer come Monday. Expect a net loss of 500g-1.2k for every lockpick you buy or more. You might break even with sub 600g keys, but I doubt it. You won't get anything good in a sub 600g key and you won't be able to sell an even less desirable gold anyway.

Perhaps this is ANET's sneaky way of sucking some currency out of the economy from people who made money in the past doing this and have fantasies of doing it again. I was one who made some nice coin in the past, but I will not be wasting money on keys this weekend.

Guild wars has changed from a game of playing and trading, to just a game of playing. When all items are common and easy to get, the trading aspect of the game is gone. We are there now. Don't waste your weekend farming thinking you will get rich because you won't. Anet ruined one of the best parts of the game (the trading and the economy), so just have fun and play the game instead this weekend.

Amen... Skins aren't worth much anymore. The only people who should be excited about this event are the newer ones.

Gaia_Hunter · Jun 03, 2007, 05:17 PM // 17:17

The most dissapointing thing about this game is:
- white items= gold coins from merch
- blue items= gold coins from merch
- purple items= gold coins from merch
- gold items = 99.9% gold coins from merch

Yay a item drop! No just a gold coin from merch...

I also like the way people say that max stats are so easy in this game.

No they arent. Max stats in this game are a max damage weapon, with a perfect damage mod (15^50, 15%-10, 15%-5, the situational mods 15% while in stance/enchantment or the +energy mod) with a rare skin. Thats max stats. A 15-22 short sword with 15^50 inst max stats. A 15-22 fellblade with 15^50 is max stats.

Patrick Smit · Jun 03, 2007, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by I Is Special

yay lucky me
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3 golds out of 12 chests--this even is a dream come true :/

Farming/running wrong areas IMO, locked chests in desolation give 100% gold drops for me. DOnt care too much about selling, getting items, loot, and titles at the same time is good, along with a little profit.

My Green Storage · Jun 03, 2007, 06:22 PM // 18:22

Meh 100k+ spent on lockpicks running mirror of lyss, archipelagos and I gave up.

Yea I know, maybe missing out on the higher end areas (desolation), but meh, now that I know I can 55 Nahpui Quarter hard mode killing the guardian bird guys (But not the Star Lights, they suck

), I'm just gonna do that with IDS farming in between.

Pretty sweet running a 55 and seeing one of the birds pimp a celestial weapon ... Req 9 +5 energy longbow my best drop off a bird so far.

Also had a shield, sword and a few scepters.
Also obviously the hard mode chests give a better chance at celestial weapons.

.... I think they've been req 12 and/or merched ....

Does-it-Matter · Jun 03, 2007, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by Gaia_Hunter

The most dissapointing thing about this game is:
- white items= gold coins from merch
- blue items= gold coins from merch
- purple items= gold coins from merch
- gold items = 99.9% gold coins from merch

Yay a item drop! No just a gold coin from merch...

If your only goal in the game is to sell items to players for lots of gold... then yes, you will see this. If you are about actually using the weapons, then no, you won't.

I have Max purples, just like I have Max golds. Characters and Heroes using them the same way, and generally don't complain that I don't have the "leetest" weapon. (And typically the only thing the enemy says is "ow!"

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I also like the way people say that max stats are so easy in this game.

No they arent.

Well, to respond to the anecdotal with anecdotal... I have no problems obtaining a max weapon. Usually a good 40% of my weapon drops are max, of course, a max AND inscribable, is a little rarer, but that's why we have Nightfall Treasure Chests.

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Max stats in this game are a max damage weapon, with a perfect damage mod (15^50, 15%-10, 15%-5, the situational mods 15% while in stance/enchantment or the +energy mod) with a rare skin.

So what "stat" are we altering with a rare skin, vs. a common skin? Do your PvE (or PvP) enemies run away from you (generic) when they see that Crystalline Sword or Chaos Axe? "Oh crap! He has an expensive weapon, run for your life!" ?

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Thats max stats.

You're being very vague to push your point.

What is a stat? Is it only things that alter your actual game mechanics (typical usage)? If so, the skin doesn't matter. Are we talking about the weapon itself, or mods too? The weapon is still physically (as physical as a game item can be) the same weapon if it has X Mod or Y Mod or not Mod.

Does it cease being a "Short Sword" without its fortitude mod?

What happens if you have a Max Mod, but it isn't the "financially desirable" one? (as in Vampiric vs. Sundering)

In at least the experience I've encountered thus far, a Max Stat weapon simply refers to its damage range (15-22 for instance) and if it is non-inscribable, it's inherent mod. As such you can have a "Max Felblade" or a "Max Short Sword."

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A 15-22 short sword with 15^50 inst max stats. A 15-22 fellblade with 15^50 is max stats.

Mechanically, they both perform as a max stat weapon.

Gaia_Hunter · Jun 03, 2007, 07:14 PM // 19:14

Actually most weapons, purple or gold arent even usefull for the damn heroes. Whites or blues are just pointless. Most of my heroes have crafted/collector weapons or greens.

If I cant find gold weapons for myself, why the hell will I sell the few rare skins to other players?

PPL just keep thinking that farmers farm to sell to other players. Most dont. I farm for myself. The only thing I sold were ectos cause I was after a FoW armor to my character but then decided Vabbian was better looking, so I sold the ectos I had already farmed.

The purpose of an FPS is to kill other ppl/ai enemy. The purpose of an RTS is to defeat the opponent. The purpose of an RPG is to improve your character and create a personality for it.

GW decided, and I agree, to make all characters competitive. But if I cant improve my character in any way, even futile ways as titles/shiny new armors/weapon skins, then its not an RPG.

I would assume that since the high-end stuff was no different in mechanics than the mid-end, there would be no problem in ppl actually attaining it, and not getting that skin with mods that are completly useless like +20% damage while under 50% health (HEY monk STOP HEALING ME U NOOB!! I want to whack harde!!). Apparently its the opposite and the best way to get them is ebay cash and buy them from some lucky guy that got one to drop. My nad.

Does-it-Matter · Jun 03, 2007, 07:33 PM // 19:33

Ok, maybe I'm just confused, but I'm trying to see where you're going with this. Is ANet stopping you in some way from improving yourself or your heroes?

There's no difference in mechanics, that's true, that was my earlier point. Though there is a difference in vanity, but vanity has little or nothing to do with a weapon being "max" that's all I was saying earlier.

I'm not saying don't attempt to seek out a vanity skin or the like, I'm just saying, a weapons skin has nothing to do with the game mechanics.

NEOgeo · Jun 03, 2007, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by My Green Storage

Meh 100k+ spent on lockpicks running mirror of lyss, archipelagos and I gave up.

Yea I know, maybe missing out on the higher end areas (desolation), but meh, now that I know I can 55 Nahpui Quarter hard mode killing the guardian bird guys (But not the Star Lights, they suck

), I'm just gonna do that with IDS farming in between.

Pretty sweet running a 55 and seeing one of the birds pimp a celestial weapon ... Req 9 +5 energy longbow my best drop off a bird so far.

Also had a shield, sword and a few scepters.
Also obviously the hard mode chests give a better chance at celestial weapons.

.... I think they've been req 12 and/or merched ....

swap to a weapon set that has your normal enchanting weapon but also a focus with +30hp, like bzyrs benediction for the lights, giving u 130hp, no prob at all to kill them now , i can give u one of the focus free too if u want and if im online .. ( btw, how much do u sell IDS for these days ? )

ok back to the subject in hand, just opened 40 chests in the desolation in HM, all weapons were gold but i got SIX NON ELITE tomes , im guessing that non elite tomes dont actually share the same drop rate % as "uncommon / purple" items and probably instead have their own % rate .

best i got was a req9 bronze crusher and 2 elite tomes , and the rest i merched making 4.5k , so from 28 lockpicks that i bought @ 30% retain rate , this is 42k, wich returned a hammer maybe worth 10k , 2 elite tomes that could be 12k if im lucky for the two , and 4.5k cash,

42k = 26.5k return, and the drops werent all that bad, so it still really sux

Gaia_Hunter · Jun 03, 2007, 08:50 PM // 20:50

Actually most weapons, purple or gold arent even usefull for the damn heroes. Whites or blues are just pointless. Most of my heroes have crafted/collector weapons or greens.

If I cant find gold weapons for myself, why the hell will I sell the few rare skins to other players?

PPL just keep thinking that farmers farm to sell to other players. Most dont. I farm for myself. The only thing I sold were ectos cause I was after a FoW armor to my character but then decided Vabbian was better looking, so I sold the ectos I had already farmed.

The purpose of an FPS is to kill other ppl/ai enemy. The purpose of an RTS is to defeat the opponent. The purpose of an RPG is to improve your character and create a personality for it.

GW decided, and I agree, to make all characters competitive. But if I cant improve my character in any way, even futile ways as titles/shiny new armors/weapon skins, then its not an RPG.

I would assume that since the high-end stuff was no different in mechanics than the mid-end, there would be no problem in ppl actually attaining it, and not getting that skin with mods that are completly useless like +20% damage while under 50% health (HEY monk STOP HEALING ME U NOOB!! I want to whack harde!!). Apparently its the opposite and the best way to get them is ebay cash and buy them from some lucky guy that got one to drop. My nad.

strcpy · Jun 03, 2007, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by Pandora's box

I consider that the biggest drawback of this game! Players like to continue growing better, stronger, towards that ultimate feeling of POWER, dominating the environment...

For me the introduction of heroes was a step into the right direction. Yet, being maxed out in skills does not leave much to play for. That is probably why weekends like this are still very popular.

Then there should be little complaint about chests not dropping exactly what you want every time you open them - you like grind but done with little play time?

There are tons of games out there that allow grind and to become godlike at higher levels - I do not play them and a very large part of GW fan base is here *because* it doesn't that. It has never been that way nor has it ever been billed that way. So far, with the vague description of GW2's level system it doesn't seem that much different either - if grind and becoming ultra-powerful are your things you are better off in another game.

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As for online games: Anarchy Online, the basic game, is completely for free and offers much more environment and game play than GW. But than of course you don't need much 'skills' to play it.

It started out as a full pay to play, they made their money off of it, and they now use it to try and boost other sales - part of the game (most expansions and everything but the very basic "core") still seems to be pay-per-month (at least according to their website).

Konrow · Jun 03, 2007, 08:59 PM // 20:59

Its a pretty nice events and much better than some others. And as for the rare skins w/ horrible stats and whatnot: It all depends on luck. You can't just always get the exact stats you want even if it was a rare skin otherwise everyone would have every single rare skin they wanted, we'd all have sup vigors and sundering weps w/ uncoditional 15%.

JUst please please stop whining about every single little thing people.

Artkin · Jun 03, 2007, 10:33 PM // 22:33

playing for bout 20 hrs so far this weekend...capping skills mainly and getting masters on quests...

drops so far...

lockpicks = ZERO
Lavish loot = ZERO...Ive opened every chest that i came across...most were (example) Fire staff with 20% casting of divine favor...you know what I mean...

crappy weekend for me so far

Evilsod · Jun 03, 2007, 10:50 PM // 22:50

Well done, you've encountered Tyrian/Canthan staff drops. Do you want a medal...?